World handicap system

Halebopp

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Oct 6, 2012
HCP
10.6
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Lakeside Golf Vammala, Finland
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MP-H5/4/53
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ST180
Hello ... What is the relevance of the date (29th Nov)? - Anyway due to Covid 19 there was a month long lockdown in November 2020 here in the UK so I only played once that month! - I played 10x rounds from end of the lockdown until end of December '20 and at end of that period my HI was 4.8
Does that help?
The 29th was simply a made-up date coming after the 20th. :)

But if the 4.8 was your lowest Handicap Index after November 20, your handicap can now climb all the way up to 9.8. That 2.6 will drop off after you return your next score.
 

PaulBoy

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Nov 18, 2012
HCP
WHS 4.2
Local club/country
Army GC & New Forest GC
Irons
Mizuno MP-68 (4-PW) or MX20
Driver
Driver Titleist TSi2 9.25* Kuro Kage Black 50s
The 29th was simply a made-up date coming after the 20th. :)

But if the 4.8 was your lowest Handicap Index after November 20, your handicap can now climb all the way up to 9.8. That 2.6 will drop off after you return your next score.
No, as I mentioned already, the lowest HI I have had between the start of WHS & today (21/1021) is 3.9 - I am trying to find out if there is a point in time when the LHI changes? - It was set at start of WHS (04/11/20) at 2.6 - No one I have asked has been able to tell me if it will EVER change from 2.6 other than in the extremely unlikely event that I managed to get my HI under 2.6?
Is it the case that those who administer WHS have not legislated for someone who is given a LHI which they never get lower than?
For example, if when WHS started, I had been allocated my old CONGU handicap (5.4) as my LHI it is quite straightforward that my LHI would have now come down to 3.9 which is the lowest HI I have had?
 

Halebopp

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HCP
10.6
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Lakeside Golf Vammala, Finland
Irons
MP-H5/4/53
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ST180
No, as I mentioned already, the lowest HI I have had between the start of WHS & today (21/1021) is 3.9 - I am trying to find out if there is a point in time when the LHI changes? - It was set at start of WHS (04/11/20) at 2.6 - No one I have asked has been able to tell me if it will EVER change from 2.6 other than in the extremely unlikely event that I managed to get my HI under 2.6?
Is it the case that those who administer WHS have not legislated for someone who is given a LHI which they never get lower than?
For example, if when WHS started, I had been allocated my old CONGU handicap (5.4) as my LHI it is quite straightforward that my LHI would have now come down to 3.9 which is the lowest HI I have had?
The Low Handicap Index is your lowest handicap index from the past 365 days of your last returned score.

So, if your last returned score is from Nov 19 2021, your Low Handicap Index is taken from Nov 20 2020 - Nov 19 2021 (in which case the original 2.6 still counts). After returning your next score on, say Dec 5, your Low Handicap Index would be your lowest Handicap Index from Dec 6 2020 to Dec 5 2021 and so forth.
 

PaulBoy

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Nov 18, 2012
HCP
WHS 4.2
Local club/country
Army GC & New Forest GC
Irons
Mizuno MP-68 (4-PW) or MX20
Driver
Driver Titleist TSi2 9.25* Kuro Kage Black 50s
Thanks again! - As mentioned above, November '20 was a write off due to UK Covid Lockdown - In December '20 I played 10 rounds & my HI went as follows:
2nd Dec 3.0
4th Dec 3.3
9th Dec 3.6
11th Dec 3.6
12th Dec 3.6
14th Dec 3.6
16th Dec 4.1
18th Dec 4.1
28th Dec 4.1
30 Dec 4.8
If I understand what you are saying, when I get to a date after 2nd Dec this year my LHI will change from 2.6 to 3.0? - Likewise when I get to a date after 18th Dec my LHI will change to 4.1? - Finally, when I get to a date after 30th Dec this year my LHI will change to 4.8? - Have I cracked this now?
Cheers ... Paul
 

MTR

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Nov 24, 2010
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f0re
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EU
Irons
MP-9-11-14-29-37
- Have I cracked this now?
Almost ;)
LHI = lowest actual HI held within 365 days prior to last score returned. So only if your HI had never been <4.8 in all of 2021 your LHI could be 4.8 after playing a round on Dec 31st. But since you said you are currently at 4.5, that would be a lower index held within the time period and affect LHI.
 

PaulBoy

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Nov 18, 2012
HCP
WHS 4.2
Local club/country
Army GC & New Forest GC
Irons
Mizuno MP-68 (4-PW) or MX20
Driver
Driver Titleist TSi2 9.25* Kuro Kage Black 50s
OK everyone can breathe a sigh of relief, I officially give up trying to work this out - I will soldier on with whatever happens to me on WHS LHI & otherwise - I thought it'd be straightforward, but clearly it isn't ...
 

Halebopp

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HCP
10.6
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Lakeside Golf Vammala, Finland
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MP-H5/4/53
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ST180
Thanks again! - As mentioned above, November '20 was a write off due to UK Covid Lockdown - In December '20 I played 10 rounds & my HI went as follows:
2nd Dec 3.0
4th Dec 3.3
9th Dec 3.6
11th Dec 3.6
12th Dec 3.6
14th Dec 3.6
16th Dec 4.1
18th Dec 4.1
28th Dec 4.1
30 Dec 4.8
If I understand what you are saying, when I get to a date after 2nd Dec this year my LHI will change from 2.6 to 3.0? - Likewise when I get to a date after 18th Dec my LHI will change to 4.1? - Finally, when I get to a date after 30th Dec this year my LHI will change to 4.8? - Have I cracked this now?
Cheers ... Paul
If you were to play a round today, your new Low Handicap Index would be 3.0, the Lowest Handicap Index from 23/10/20 to 22/10/21. After a qualifying round on Dec 5 it would be 3.6 and, like you said, after a round on Dec 18 it would be 4.1 (you'd get there with a round already on Dec 16 though).
 

PaulBoy

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Joined
Nov 18, 2012
HCP
WHS 4.2
Local club/country
Army GC & New Forest GC
Irons
Mizuno MP-68 (4-PW) or MX20
Driver
Driver Titleist TSi2 9.25* Kuro Kage Black 50s
Thanks again! - As mentioned above, November '20 was a write off due to UK Covid Lockdown - In December '20 I played 10 rounds & my HI went as follows:
2nd Dec 3.0
4th Dec 3.3
9th Dec 3.6
11th Dec 3.6
12th Dec 3.6
14th Dec 3.6
16th Dec 4.1
18th Dec 4.1
28th Dec 4.1
30 Dec 4.8
If I understand what you are saying, when I get to a date after 2nd Dec this year my LHI will change from 2.6 to 3.0? - Likewise when I get to a date after 18th Dec my LHI will change to 4.1? - Finally, when I get to a date after 30th Dec this year my LHI will change to 4.8? - Have I cracked this now?
Cheers ... Paul
Not that I'm complaining, but could someone (Halebopp or MTR maybe?) explain how my LHI has changed TODAY (4th November '21) from 2.6 to 3.0?
WHS started in the UK on 4th November '20 so it is not 365 days since my lowest LHI (2.6)

It also makes me laugh (though I understand why) that I can tee up on Monday this week & receive 4x shots in a stableford points round, but when I tee it up again on Friday for another stableford round, I will be getting 6x shots! - In the "old days" such a change in handicap would have taken a minimum of 20x rounds (going up 0.1 per round) - Under WHS I have achieved this with 2x rounds (both scoring 33pts by the way)
 

LOS

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England
Not that I'm complaining, but could someone (Halebopp or MTR maybe?) explain how my LHI has changed TODAY (4th November '21) from 2.6 to 3.0?
WHS started in the UK on 4th November '20 so it is not 365 days since my lowest LHI (2.6)

It also makes me laugh (though I understand why) that I can tee up on Monday this week & receive 4x shots in a stableford points round, but when I tee it up again on Friday for another stableford round, I will be getting 6x shots! - In the "old days" such a change in handicap would have taken a minimum of 20x rounds (going up 0.1 per round) - Under WHS I have achieved this with 2x rounds (both scoring 33pts by the way)
Paul the WHS system started in England on the 2nd of November.
 

PaulBoy

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HCP
WHS 4.2
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Army GC & New Forest GC
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Mizuno MP-68 (4-PW) or MX20
Driver
Driver Titleist TSi2 9.25* Kuro Kage Black 50s
Paul the WHS system started in England on the 2nd of November.
Thanks LOS my mistake (senior moment!)
 

Stewart 57

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Sep 13, 2011
Location
Sandnes, Norway
HCP
11.
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Sandnes Golf Club, Norway
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Mizuno MP 18`s 4 - PW. MP T7 ,50,54,&58 dgr, wedges, Mizuno A, 309 Putter,
Driver
JPX 850 driver, JPX 3 wood, JPX 900, hybrid,
LOS, it take the results from your last 20 rounds. So if you played on the monday ,now played 21 rounds it takes your monday round and your last 19 rounds, I have gone from 14-15.5 , I will go into my club and print out my hcp to show you how it works
 

Steve Smith

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That's the problem we are all going to face I'm afraid - One of the prime objective's of WHS was to make golf "more inclusive" which means that everyone, regardless of ability, can obtain a handicap (up to 54 I believe?) & head out on the course in all types of golf, including competitions - I don't object to this in principal, but don't like the sound of what happened in your case - I just wouldn't play in such an event, which sadly might mean I won't be playing in much competition golf anymore? - It has taken me a lifetime to play golf to the standard I have achieved & I just can't see the point in attempting to play against Mr 48 Handicap from your club in any type of game...
Paul
Its a cheaters charter. The WHS allows people to put in any score they wish as a "friendly game"
 
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