Lie- flat or upright?

tbradshaw

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#1
Hi all.
I recently purchased some mizuno irons, the fitter identified i needed a lie adjustment.

My order form from mizuno states "-2 deg"

I want to purchase further wedges to my set, but putting an order in online asks for lie adjustment flat or upright.

I can't find anywhere where I can work out is - 2 flat or is it upright. I assume its flat... but want to make sure!

Thanks to anyone who can help!
 

Brattz

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#2
0 is standard, - means flatter, + means upright
 

Brattz

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Titleist TS3 - HC Project X LZ17 6.5 60g, 9.5°, A1 - 11g
#3
FYI, I have all my wedges progressively flatter for 2 main reasons:

1. You can attack the ball better using the bounce with a flatter lie when chipping.
2. You don’t swing at full tilt with a wedge so rarely ‘activate’ the shaft flex & kick. By having the shafts flatter it points the clubface loft further right so stops the lefts with a half swing not done at full speed.

Both these reasons are done on tour. There isn’t a single tour golfer that I have seen that doesn’t have their wedges flattened.

My setup:
3/4 iron - standard
5-PW - 0.5° flat
50° loft - 10° bounce - 1° flat
54° loft - 11° bounce - 1.5° flat
58° loft - 9° bounce - 2° flat
 
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#4
FYI, I have all my wedges progressively flatter for 2 main reasons:

1. You can attack the ball better using the bounce with a flatter lie when chipping.
2. You don’t swing at full tilt with a wedge so rarely ‘activate’ the shaft flex & kick. By having the shafts flatter it points the clubface loft further right so stops the lefts with a half swing not done at full speed.

Both these reasons are done on tour. There isn’t a single tour golfer that I have seen that doesn’t have their wedges flattened.

My setup:
3/4 iron - standard
5-PW - 0.5° flat
50° loft - 10° bounce - 1° flat
54° loft - 11° bounce - 1.5° flat
58° loft - 9° bounce - 2° flat
Hi Nige ... I see from your other post the lockdown hasn't held your golf back at all? - I was interested to read your post above about your wedge setup - Wedges are a weak part of my game & something thought might be resolved by extra practice on wedges, rather than just hitting balls on the range - But flattening the lies makes a lot of sense & when my club fitters are back up and running, I feel a trip to see one will be in order - I'm pretty sure my wedges (49 54 58) if anything are set 1* UP to match how my 919's are? - If that is the case, it might not just be a lack of skill on my part (with the wedges) that is holding me back?
Much obliged ... Paul
 

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Mizuno JPX 919 Tour (4-PW) - Project X LZ 6.5 120g - 0.5° Flat - 1/2"+
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Titleist TS3 - HC Project X LZ17 6.5 60g, 9.5°, A1 - 11g
#5
Hi Nige ... I see from your other post the lockdown hasn't held your golf back at all? - I was interested to read your post above about your wedge setup - Wedges are a weak part of my game & something thought might be resolved by extra practice on wedges, rather than just hitting balls on the range - But flattening the lies makes a lot of sense & when my club fitters are back up and running, I feel a trip to see one will be in order - I'm pretty sure my wedges (49 54 58) if anything are set 1* UP to match how my 919's are? - If that is the case, it might not just be a lack of skill on my part (with the wedges) that is holding me back?
Much obliged ... Paul
Absolutely Paul. Glad to hear you are fit and well! I was told to flatten my wedges off about 25 years ago by a certain Mark Roe and done it ever since. He was our college golf coach and was insistent that flatter lies with shorter clubs kept the loft of the face pointing square to target and stops the lefts. It’s pretty standard fair on tour now.
Defo try a progressive flattening based on full swing usage, so a 49° wants flattening less than the 54° because you will make more fuller swings so activate the shaft flex more.
let me know how you get on 👍🏽
 

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Mark Roe is a right knob 😁
 

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I’d watch out Paul, those flat lies can hamper your bunker play I’ve heard... 😆
 

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I’d watch out Paul, those flat lies can hamper your bunker play I’ve heard... 😆
Bunker? - They're those big holes with sand in them aren't they? - Doesn't affect me mate, I don't go in them!
 

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I’d watch out Paul, those flat lies can hamper your bunker play I’ve heard... 😆

Hey...Bananaman is still alive ... how are you doing sir ?
 

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I’d watch out Paul, those flat lies can hamper your bunker play I’ve heard... 😆
Nothing wrong with my bunker play mr big numbers on card 😂
 

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Absolutely Paul. Glad to hear you are fit and well! I was told to flatten my wedges off about 25 years ago by a certain Mark Roe and done it ever since. He was our college golf coach and was insistent that flatter lies with shorter clubs kept the loft of the face pointing square to target and stops the lefts. It’s pretty standard fair on tour now.
Defo try a progressive flattening based on full swing usage, so a 49° wants flattening less than the 54° because you will make more fuller swings so activate the shaft flex more.
let me know how you get on 👍🏽
That makes sense to me having it done now, it may well be the answer to a problem I have had recently stay safe mate cheers
 
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That makes sense to me having it done now, it may well be the answer to a problem I have had recently stay safe mate cheers
Hope it gives you the edge with the short game HEB 👍🏽
 

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Hi,it is very important that you are being fitted , also for your wedges......i can recommend that you are looking carefully on what shaft you are using,I am being fitted by Mizuno with the KBS HI-REV reg Shafts, great spin on the greens, they are used in wedges.
My wedges: MP-R12 52°\56°\60°
 

Brattz

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Hi,it is very important that you are being fitted , also for your wedges......i can recommend that you are looking carefully on what shaft you are using,I am being fitted by Mizuno with the KBS HI-REV reg Shafts, great spin on the greens, they are used in wedges.
My wedges: MP-R12 52°\56°\60°
Hi Henri,

Hi-Revs are more for if you struggle with flight and spin rates due to angle of attack etc. I use DG Pro Tour Issue S400 shafts in my wedges. They are 135g low spin, low flight because I need to turn the spin down.
 

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#15
FYI, I have all my wedges progressively flatter for 2 main reasons:

1. You can attack the ball better using the bounce with a flatter lie when chipping.
2. You don’t swing at full tilt with a wedge so rarely ‘activate’ the shaft flex & kick. By having the shafts flatter it points the clubface loft further right so stops the lefts with a half swing not done at full speed.

Both these reasons are done on tour. There isn’t a single tour golfer that I have seen that doesn’t have their wedges flattened.

My setup:
3/4 iron - standard
5-PW - 0.5° flat
50° loft - 10° bounce - 1° flat
54° loft - 11° bounce - 1.5° flat
58° loft - 9° bounce - 2° flat
My JPX919 HM’s were set up 2deg upright, which were the same as my old T10 wedges (50deg and 56deg) I’ve carried over from my former set. Does this a flatter lie mean my wedges would be better suited as 1deg up or even a standard lie? Both wedges have DG Wedge flex shafts. Thanks
 

Brattz

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Mizuno JPX 919 Tour (4-PW) - Project X LZ 6.5 120g - 0.5° Flat - 1/2"+
Driver
Titleist TS3 - HC Project X LZ17 6.5 60g, 9.5°, A1 - 11g
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My JPX919 HM’s were set up 2deg upright, which were the same as my old T10 wedges (50deg and 56deg) I’ve carried over from my former set. Does this a flatter lie mean my wedges would be better suited as 1deg up or even a standard lie? Both wedges have DG Wedge flex shafts. Thanks
Yes, go see your pro and go on a lie board. Try them at 1° and then at 0.
 
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