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Does anyone have any big plans for the holidays? How about something to make us all envious?

It's the second night of Hanukkah and about all we are looking forward to is a synagogue party next Sunday night.

Our daughter's family comes through Monday night for just 3 days, long enough to have Noche Buena at the inlaws and leaving Christmas day for a week in St Maartens.

So far, I have no idea what we'll do on New Years Eve. These days, we're in bed before midnight, so it's no different than any day of the week.

Somebody give me someinspiring idea, PLEASE???
 

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Hi Dennis ... Sadly no big plans here! - No 2 son finally moved into his first house a month or so ago, so for the first time in his lifetime, he is cooking Christmas dinner for us! - Yesterday I met up with No 1 son who is married & has 3x gorgeous daughters - They are 6, 3 & 1 years of age, so we had a fantastic day & they left with a boot full of goodies to open on Christmas day ...

To anyone who pops in here, may I wish you a merry Christmas & a happy New Year!

Paul
 

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Hey all, Merry Solstice! Usual dull stuff here but I may get out and play the Xmas morning 9 holes before cooking some steak 👍🏻
Have a cracker you lovely Mizuno people x
 

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My daughter's family flew in last night, the 3 grandkids included. The 3 of them are all in college now, so they aren't so excited about going much of anywhere or seeing any tourist sites in Miami. It's a case of been there, done that.

My son-in-law's family originally came from Cuba, so tomorrow night, they will have the traditional Noche Buena dinner with the pig cooked in the wooden box, black beans and rice, garlic yucca and some desserts I won't tell my Endocrinologist about.

Nobody is talking about New Years Eve yet and honestly, I'd be perfectly happy to order a pizza and just stay home. At this stage of life, we find ourselves in bed around 10 PM anyway, even on NYE, so it's not a really big deal like it was when we were younger.

I was going to play golf this morning, but I did some heavy lifting yesterday and I'm pretty achy today. Hopefully Friday now...
 
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Evening my Mizuno friends,no big plans here, a quiet family Christmas with our traditional Christmas Day BBQ. We don't do turkey and haven't for a good number of years, we have nice steaks cooked on the BBQ in the garden. Hopefully it will stay dry when I need to do the cooking, worst year was 2010 when we had 5 inches of snow and I was out in shorts, flip flops and my Summer shirt. Hoping we have a good day hoping you all have a great time at Christmas and next year is a good one for you all.

Merry Christmas

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Merry Xmas everyone, hope you are all doing well. No big plans here, quiet family dinner tomorrow, we visit my mum's for dinner on boxing day. No golf plans till march next year really but will try get a few games in between now and then. Hope Santa is good to you all, he's bringing me a couple of new mizzy wedges.
 

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Evening my Mizuno friends,no big plans here, a quiet family Christmas with our traditional Christmas Day BBQ.
BBQ sounds GREAT ro me...

My son-in-law's father is originally from Cuba, came here when he was a child. He still prepares the Cuban traditional dinner on Christmas Eve, Noche Buena, with the pig cooked in the wooden box, (cochina), with garlic yucca and black beans & rice. There will be some fabulous desserts I won't tell my Endocrinologist about and maybe ever beer...

I had to laugh at your comment about being outside in the snow wearing shorts. My grandson has some crazy tolerance for the cold and when we were in North Carolina last month for Thanksgiving, he was outside helping his father cook the smoked turkey, 35 degrees out, in shorts, t-shirt and flip flops. In the meantime, I was in jeans, high socks, long sleeve t-shirt under a pretty heavy golf shirt, and I was still chilly.
 

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we visit my mum's for dinner on boxing day. No golf plans till march next year .
I learned about Boxing Day when I lived in Jamaica. Being Jewish, we really enjoyed Christmas and Boxing Day, because we were able to give the housekeepers and cooks a whole week off. We were invited out so much and brought home so many leftovers, it was a holiday week in every respect.

And it hurts to hear about no golf until March. As much as I'd like to have my wife retire and relocate out of Florida, going back to seasonal golf would force me to build myself a simulator. Considering what golf costs here in Miami now, $56 for 9 holes is the cheapest around, playing twice a week costs about $450 a month and that's not affordable on what we know our retirement budget would be. It's not quite double that for 18 holes.

Friends in North Carolina tell me about paying $25 for 9 holes riding, up to about $36for 18 holes... One course near me is $225 for 18 holes riding. Costs here have got me on the verge of having to give up the game until I move and am able to play where it's cheaper.
 
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I think overall the cost of golf has gone up considerably over the past few years. I used to take part in a golf day at Gullane until a few years back. We used to play two rounds on a day ticket playing No2 & No3 courses and using the visitor clubhouse for lunch.This past year a day ticket was £120, which is double what I payed there back in 2013. This used to be a good value day out for our wee group, now its an expensive day out. Even our local municipal courses are getting too expensive for what you get. I'm not a playing member at my club. I Ave that up after my spinal injury.as such playing visitor golf is an occasional treat nowadays.
 
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DCB - That 120 Pounds is about $162 US. Here in Miami, about $81 for 18 holes would be average, but I'm curious... Do you have to walk all 36 holes or does that include any sort of cart fee? With my arthritis and damaged knees from way to much basketball in my past, I doubt I could walk 18 on a flat course anymore, much less on anyplace with hills. Admittedly, I could get into better shape than I am currently.

Last night, I asked my wife if anyone was talking about plans for New Years Eve. Apparently nobody is and because the University of Miami football team is playing at 7:30 that night against Ohio State, it seems everyone will be staying home. I don't mind. My daughter is a UMiami grad and my wife did her post grad work there. We're pretty big fans.

I live 2 houses down from the field behind a middle school and a lot of people shoot off fireworks there. (Illegal as it is, the police do nothing) Staying home to keep my two dogs calm is fine with me.

Maybe I'll order our favorite dishes from an Italian restaurant that is pretty much our favorite place for birthdays and anniversaries. I'll bring it home and enjoy a night at home.
 

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Hi Dennis ... I can pitch in with some price information - I also know Gullane courses well as I used to play on a tour in that area when I was a working man - Gullane No2 is one of the best links courses I have ever played - No3 is only slightly behind it, so £120 for both is a real bargain compared to other top quality links courses? - My brother's course in Ireland (Ballyliffin, which hosted the Amateur Championship recently) is nearly £300 / $400 to play - That would be typical price to pay on a top links course in Ireland - Top English links courses like Royal Birkdale are higher! (£450 in March & April '26) - Indeed top inland courses in England like Sunningdale are also £450 - What I would describe as "normal" golf courses in England are now all over £150 to play as a visitor - The best way to play on decent golf courses in my area is to enter Open competitions? - A Senior Open at a decent golf course in my area, would be £75 - £100 for your competition round / roll & beverage before / lunch afterwards - Unlike 20 or even 10 years ago, it's an expensive hobby now ...
 

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Good Morning Paul,

Looking at those prices, from my point of view that they are great courses, I think it would be worth it to me, because I'd be on a vacation to your side of the pond and the opportunity to play great links courses would be worth the money. That said, we probably should have predicted the increase in cost. Just look at the prices of new equipment and how it has risen every year. I guess at some point, course owners must look at that and ask themselves if people can afford the new clubs, they must be able to afford a higher price to play.

But, if you came here, I would tell you not to waste your money at Trump Doral. Just because the tournament was played there for years never made it a great course. All it has is length and one great hole, the 18th.

Instead, I'd take you to Plantation Preserve,a public course with the most incredible design I've ever seen where you have to move the ball both ways, where you can fly it or run it onto a green, where the conditions are always pristine, and where the staff provide a level of customer service unlike anywhere else in South Florida .

I'd suggest Inverery, where Jackie Gleason held his tournaments. Every pro whose name we could name played there. There's 2 different 18 hole courses there and the restaurant makes incredible food.

Miami Springs, by the airport, is an old course where all the greats played in the old Miami Open. In the clubhouse, seeing those names on the trophies just makes me wonder if I stepped in the same spot Ben Hoganor Sam Snead did.

Miccosukee Golf Club, owned by the native American tribe, is a 27 hole layout where the tour used to have Q School and later, the last Hooters Tour tournament, with the ceremony to present tour cards to those who qualified that year. Many years ago, I was a member there before it was sold to the tribe.

And believe it or not, I'd suggest Killian Greens, where I play most. It's short, about 6400 yards at the absolute most), not typical grasses, (loose running St Augustine roughs), seven different grasses used on the greens, but according to what the book Golf Course Architecture For Regular People, by Geoff Shackelford, it fulfills every criteria of a great course.

An aside... Personally, I haven't bought new equipment in years. My personal theory is, at my age and slower swing speed, new technology is not worth the money for what extra distance I might get, 2-3 yards off the tee maybe? Until 10 years ago, my mid 60s, my swing was long, with the club reaching parallel at the top. In succeeding years, y body has rebelled, with arthritis and bone spurs that now leave me with a swing only taking my left arm to parallel to the ground.

If I want to fool myself and believe new technology helps, I'd play something like a set of Tour Edge Exotics E721 irons with really strong lofts. I could fool myself into believing I still hit an 8 iron 150 yards, but I'm way too realistic and I know damned well I'm hitting something more like its between a six or seven iron.

After that experiment, I decided feel was much more important to me and I went back to my Epon iron set as my #1. I recently picked up an old set of Honma irons I'm working on. They aren't a design with as much game improvement built in as the forged Epon AF-702 set, but the feel is simply incredible. I have reached a point where, I no longer keep score. If I come home and I remember a few good shots, plus some that really felt great off the face, that makes whatever I paid worthwhile.

Part of me still thinks about returning to St Andrews. I haven't been there in just over 60 years, but I think at this stage, the food and the beer might be the bigger attraction than trying to walk the Old Course... :)
 

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Hi Dennis ... What a great reply! - I totally agree with your comments about equipment prices & potentially why some courses choose to charge visitors what they do? - I also agree about giving some of the big name courses a miss - Gullane, which DCB mentioned above, was a much more enjoyable course for me than it's near neighbour, Muirfield - Probably sacrilegious to say so, but although it was great to play such an iconic golf course, it was a long slog & not much to look at imho? - Compare there to Royal County Down or Royal Portrush is a "no contest" - RCD in particular is an absolute stunner, in terms of scenery & still a stern test of golf - So I can understand why you would still pay the premium prices they ask to play some of the top courses over here? - I'm sure if I ever got to visit the USA I would probably do likewise, but maybe just one or two & then seek out the other gems that don't charge a king's ransom to play them?
 

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Unfortunately, so many of the "iconic" courses here are private clubs and unless you are ivited by a member, you could never get on. I'm talking mostly about places where PGA tournaments are played. Some are public, like Pebble Beach or Hilton Head, but they are resorts and still cost upwards of $700-over $6000 per night to stay there with golf included. Nonresident guests pay almost $700 for the greens fee at Pebble, not including the caddie or cart.Bethpage in New York, while crowded as hell, is worth the money. Pinehurst #2 varies between $300 up to $700, depending on whether you are in the resort and also depending on the season.

The fact is, there are incredible courses across the country, most notably, the Robert Trent Jones Trail in Alabama. There are 26 courses within a 2 hour drive of one another with reasonable rates as resort courses go. There are huge values in package deals that include hotels, a few meals, greens fees and bus transportation. A few friends have gone on carieations of these tours, playing a different group of courses each time and loved it.

In modern times, a lot of what used to be nice private clubs, like the Standard Club in Louisville, Ky, where I grew up and belonged, have become "semi private" over recent times. There are a lot of great golf courses in that category with some amount of tee times available for the general public.

Just here in Florida, there are over 1300 courses, both public, resort or private. By last count, I've only played 32 of them and for the past 5 years, I've only played one.

Honestly, as far as quality of layout, condition and customer service is concerned, I'd recommend a 2 week trip to Jamaica, playing a different course every day. My favorite was Constant Spring GC, a links in Kingston. It's not on the ocean though, but goes 9 out on a mountainside and 9 back. If you hit a ball in the gully, down the mountainside you may as well have hit it in the ocean. It's gone. The kitchen also serves some of the best curry goat on the whole island.
 
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Our big NYE was watching the University of Miami win the Cotton Bowl against Ohio State University. (American football) It was sort of a weird grudge match, because scandalous officiating in 2006 let Ohio State beat UMiami is a different bowl game. The officials were later found to be biased and were banned.

Ohio State was supposed to win, but the euphoria following the game led us to stay up and watch the highlights on the post game show. Next thing we knew, it was 12:15!!! We actually stayed up past midnight on NYE for the first time in at least 10 years, probably more.

I would have loved to have slept late this morning, but my little Maltipoo Molly decided to wake me at 7 AM because she wanted her breakfast. How do you turn down that face?

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Late back to this thread. In answer to the comment/ Dennis asked a Buggy/ Cart withal usually cost extra where available and is not included in any green fes we tend to walk the course when playing . Buggies are somewhere between £25-£50 although when I was ar Gleneagles in 2019 they charged per person, so my mate and I payed £50 each on thePGA course. Daylight robbery!
 

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It's perperson here too. Nine holes walking might be $30, but nine holes riding will be $55 per person.
 
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