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Counterbalancing a Mizuno Bettinardi

Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:17 pm

Posted by Halebopp


I've most probably talked about linking the feel of counterbalanced putters somewhere in here. I was planning on experimenting with my C-01H as it has a heavier head but since my BC-3 needs a new grip anyway, I thought I would tinker with it for starters.

Adding weight to the head is the biggest problem as I don't want to spoil the heads with lead tape. Adding weight to the shaft is the second option, according to Tom Wishon (of Wishon golf), you can add 20 grams to the tip without noticing the difference in CoG unless you're a very good putter.

The best way to add weight to the tip would be a tip weight or tungsten powder. For now I've settled for some fishing weights made out of lead.

I tried to look for a heavy bolt from a hardware store but settled on a threaded rod. One meter weight around 300 grams so 20 centimeters is around 60 grams, The long nuts weight 12 grams each and there's room for 8 of them before the steps in the shaft get in the way. There's a smaller, eight-gram nut to the top end. Thus I could make it anything from 68 to 166 grams.

The one problem I didn't think of is that if I wanted to make the shaft longer, maybe 36.5" from the current 35", the nuts might not fit the extension. I need to order some from the UK while I order a new grip. Even with the shipping, new grips are still about 2/3s of the price they are over here. :(

I wonder what are the odds of me needing to go to a pro shop to clean up the mess I'll make out of this. :D

(Apologies for the big pictures)

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Re: Counterbalancing a Mizuno Bettinardi

Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:56 pm

Posted by Halebopp


This is much easier than I thought! :)

I attached two of the fishing weights to a piece of string so that I could get them easily out from the tip and secured the string with a piece of tape to the outside of the shaft.

Then I sawed a 25-centimeter piece of the rod (~75 grams), attached a couple of the nuts and it was set. I have to say the feeling off the face wasn't good. After a couple of attempts to secure the weights in the tip better, I removed them altogether. The feel off the face returned to normal but the head doesn't feel too light at all. With the screws tightened against together and the lower ones resting against the step of the shaft and the top nut fitting into the shaft very snugly, the weights don't move about at all but once I figure out how many of them I want, I'll secure them with tape.

What I found interesting is that the left-over 75 cm bit (225 grams) fit the putter very well also. Certainly gave a different, more head-heavy feel but it wasn't bad at all.

Some more pics for anyone who cares. :)

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Re: Counterbalancing a Mizuno Bettinardi

Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:41 pm

Posted by Halebopp


I got another idea. If I glued one of the long nuts inside the shaft, against the step that stops them from going lower, I could actually make the whole rod with the rest of the weights removable. Or I could add/remove nuts and alter the weight. All it would need is a hole on top of the grip.
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Re: Counterbalancing a Mizuno Bettinardi

Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:23 pm

Posted by PaulBoy


Nice description & pics sir! - Looks like a lot of work you are putting in, but I suppose you must have a few months before you can get back out on the golf course? - Keep us posted how your project works out ...
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Re: Counterbalancing a Mizuno Bettinardi

Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:27 pm

Posted by Halebopp


Thank you, Paul!

It really isn't much work at all but you're right, there would be no need to make the finishing touches before the Masters if I didn't want to. :( 

I'm definitely not going to try the adjustable weight system on my Bettinardis. Maybe I can find some crappy putter for next to nothing and experiment without any worries.

I settled on  using 6 nuts, two at the bottom and four on the top, squeezed them tightly against each other and then wrapped clear packaging tape all around the threads and the nuts themselves to secure them in place, to stop any possible rattling developing over time and to simply make it a tight fit.

I can hold the putter upside down, without a grip and the weight stays in place. It doesn't make any noises even when inserting it into the shaft.

The whole thing with the tape weights 151 grams. Superstroke has 75-gram weights for their grips and Tour Lock has weights up to 100 grams so this is well beyond their heaviest weights. The grip I'll most probably put on the putter is 10 grams lighter than the one I'm using for testing so it'll feel a bit lighter when finished.

I certainly like the feel and the performance indoors but after a day of toying around with it, the putter doesn't feel heavy at all anymore. You get used to it so quickly. My brains are telling me not add any more weights to it, though.

I guess the next step is to go practice putting with it in an indoor range to see if there could be any issues with longer putts. I'm also thinking about keeping the old grip until the start of the season to give me a real feel for it on actual greens, which are much slower around here than any of the artificial mats used indoors.

There's also the issue of extending the shaft and how it would work out. Maybe I could even lengthen the shaft by adding a couple of those normal nuts to the end of the rod.

Anyhow, the first picture shows how the completed weight assembly sits inside the shaft. I hadn't noticed before that the rod is pretty pretty much the same length as the grip. The shaft is 35" and the lower nuts would need to be an inch higher in a 34" shaft and so forth because of the steps.

The second picture shows the difference in center of gravity between the putter and a normal C-01H.


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Re: Counterbalancing a Mizuno Bettinardi

Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:13 pm

Posted by DCB


Looks like a major engineering feat. I changed my BC 3 to a Super Stroke grip and got the right weight to give me the best feel when making a shot. A little trial and error, but, a lot less engineering involved. 

Hope you work out how best to tackle this.
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Re: Counterbalancing a Mizuno Bettinardi

Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:05 pm

Posted by NotOhBoy


Good work Haleb. I guess the nights are a bit long in January? :)

I like the use of a rolled towel to check for swing weight. But how do you calibrate it?
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Re: Counterbalancing a Mizuno Bettinardi

Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:38 pm

Posted by Halebopp


DCB, I certainly hope I can skip the error part once I put the new grip on it. :D

NotOhBoy, our days are getting longer by the minute, the sun rises at 9:25 and sets at 15:44, that's over 6 hours of daylight hiding behind the clouds and an hour more than in mid December! :D

It's actually just a towel on top of a kettlebell and I admit it's not quite up to par with what we used and talked about on measurement technology courses in the university. :) 
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Re: Counterbalancing a Mizuno Bettinardi

Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:39 am

Posted by Bonobobananas


Great stuff HB but does it work? :)
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Re: Counterbalancing a Mizuno Bettinardi

Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:39 pm

Posted by Halebopp


Bonobobananas wrote:

Great stuff HB but does it work? :)


On a carpet it seems to work, certainly on the short putts keeping me from using smaller muscles to make the stroke and making myself push or pull the putt. Some people say distance control can be an issue with the heavier putters but we'll find that out in April. :)

The head does feel just a bit light but I hope extending the shaft from 35" to maybe 36.5" and putting the lighter grip on it will change the feel enough. I was hoping I would've got the new grip and the shaft extension in the mail today alongside some other stuff but no such luck.
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4-PW: MP-4, KBS Tour S
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55* & 59: W/S FG Tour PMP, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0
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