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Re: Counterbalancing a Mizuno Bettinardi

Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:41 pm

Posted by Halebopp


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Cheers, Bananabonobo! The putter feels great. The weight certainly takes out the smaller muscles from my putting stroke and I'm quite sure the 37-inch shaft also helps me set up better.

I'll need to visit a dome soon to see how it actually works outside of my hallway. :) A couple of more months before I get to take it out on the course.

I do wonder what kind of an effect a bit more weight, maybe 20 grams at the butt would have on irons. It might very well be something worth exploring in the future.
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Re: Counterbalancing a Mizuno Bettinardi

Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:25 pm

Posted by Steve Smith


I bought the Bettinardi C-01 when it first came out about 10 years ago.

It sits so beautifully, has a very small sweet spot, which I think is actually really good, in keeping with the Mizuno ethos and is forged from a single piece with no welds. Smaller sweet spot makes you try to be a better putter

Stupidly I had 2 inches taken off it when I should have just had 1 inch taken off.

The Bettinardi soft grip was great but wore out pretty quickly. 

I went down the route of trying a super sized grip but it was awful. Good on the short ones but I lost all "feel" for distance, I have always been a good long "touch" putter.

So I gave up on that and good a nice blue "winn" tacky grip put on. Feels very like the original Bettinardi grip and just standard size.

I am thinking about getting a 1 inch plug to get it back to 34" which I think is about right for me, (I am 5' 9").

Any feedback is appreciated.

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Re: Counterbalancing a Mizuno Bettinardi

Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:25 pm

Posted by Steve Smith


I bought the Bettinardi C-01 when it first came out about 10 years ago.

It sits so beautifully, has a very small sweet spot, which I think is actually really good, in keeping with the Mizuno ethos and is forged from a single piece with no welds. Smaller sweet spot makes you try to be a better putter

Stupidly I had 2 inches taken off it when I should have just had 1 inch taken off.

The Bettinardi soft grip was great but wore out pretty quickly. 

I went down the route of trying a super sized grip but it was awful. Good on the short ones but I lost all "feel" for distance, I have always been a good long "touch" putter.

So I gave up on that and good a nice blue "winn" tacky grip put on. Feels very like the original Bettinardi grip and just standard size.

I am thinking about getting a 1 inch plug to get it back to 34" which I think is about right for me, (I am 5' 9").

Any feedback is appreciated.

Smitty. 
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Driver: Mizuno JPX825 - 9 degree Orochi Red - Stiff, Mizuno MP600 - 9 degree Grafalloy Prolaunch, Mizuno Pro 300S Fujikura Vista Pro 70 stiff

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Re: Counterbalancing a Mizuno Bettinardi

Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:25 pm

Posted by Steve Smith


I bought the Bettinardi C-01 when it first came out about 10 years ago.

It sits so beautifully, has a very small sweet spot, which I think is actually really good, in keeping with the Mizuno ethos and is forged from a single piece with no welds. Smaller sweet spot makes you try to be a better putter

Stupidly I had 2 inches taken off it when I should have just had 1 inch taken off.

The Bettinardi soft grip was great but wore out pretty quickly. 

I went down the route of trying a super sized grip but it was awful. Good on the short ones but I lost all "feel" for distance, I have always been a good long "touch" putter.

So I gave up on that and good a nice blue "winn" tacky grip put on. Feels very like the original Bettinardi grip and just standard size.

I am thinking about getting a 1 inch plug to get it back to 34" which I think is about right for me, (I am 5' 9").

Any feedback is appreciated.

Smitty. 
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Re: Counterbalancing a Mizuno Bettinardi

Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:56 am

Posted by Halebopp


I'm 6'3" with legs that go all the way up. :)

This reply got a bit lengthy on how I went about the whole thing, so bear with me and I hope this makes sense to you.

I've rebuilt my whole putting stroke and stance over the past couple of months. First of all, I changed my grip, the way I hold the putter. Previously I used the same grip as with my other clubs with the grip resting on my fingers. This grip made the shaft lay quite flat leading the toe of the putter hanging in the air or me moving my arms away from my body to compensate for it. The grip also caused the occasional turning of the wrists as there was nothing to stop that. It (and the shaft being shorter) also made me hunch too much over the ball and put my eyes outside the line of putt (in other words and exaggeratedly my nose was over the ball), which is a no-no. You need your eyes on top of the ball or slightly inside the line.

Now I grip my putter so that the grip runs pretty much through my index finger and the life line in my palm. The shaft is aligned with my forearms, the putter sits flat against the floor, my eyes are on top of the ball and I'm standing more upright with my arms connected to my body.

How I determined the correct length was by standing up straight against a wall, with heels, buttocks, shoulders and the back of the head against the wall. Then I took a step forward, bent down from my hips and let my arms hang freely, connected to my rib cage. You want the putter grip in your hands in that position. Then you just need to get the correct shaft length and lie angle.

What I had was the old grip I had cut off and the two-ended shaft extension bit that was really long. I inserted the extension into the putter and the grip on the extension. It allowed me to check all the possible lengths from the original 35" to 40"+. I checked the length I felt comfortable with several times, tried moving the grip further up or down the shaft and always came back to around 37".

So, if you want to do it right, ask the pro shop to cut the old grip so that it can be used later on to check the length of the putter and buy an uncut shaft extension. Or do it in the pro shop with the pro. Move the grip up and down the shaft until you get it right. Just remember to do it with your golf shoes on and make some putts to ensure you like it. The correct length might not be 33" or 34" but maybe 33.75" or 34.2" and you can get the shaft to those lengths, it's just a matter of cutting the extension to the correct length. 

As for the grip itself, I have long fingers and all the online grip fittings tell me I should use midsize grips, which the Winnpro X 1.18 is. The normal Golf Pride Player's Wrap worked with the way I held the putter previously but for my new technique, it's just way too small for me, especially with the added weight beneath the grip. I have to say the bigger grip doesn't stop me from turning my wrists, I need the added weight to remove the issue The original Winn grips that came with the Bettinardis did wear down quite fast but these are a bit different and the one I've had on the C-01H has held up well for several years.
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Re: Counterbalancing a Mizuno Bettinardi

Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:26 am

Posted by Halebopp


I went to a dome yesterday to hit balls for the first time this year. I spent maybe an hour putting and at first I was really worried of distance control on long putts. You certainly need to "swing" the club harder and if you do putt it too hard, the putt could be way too long.

The long putts will be something I'll probably need to work on once we get outdoors and onto real greens. The stability on shorter putts was great though. With my new putting stroke it was very easy to get the ball start on the correct line. When I missed it was always to the left. I suspect it happened when I ended up putting with my arms rather than shoulders and body. With the additional weight and toe hang of the head, I believe the toe lagged behind and the head closed on the backswing and stayed like that through the stroke.

Thus, now I feel the amount of weight I added might've been a bit drastic but anything less than 100 grams wouldn't have given the stability I wanted.

The two inches of added length also seemed like a very good decision.
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