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Checking the spec of a set of MP-54s

Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:29 pm

Posted by RobCH


Hi All, long time etc.  I've recently put one of my four sets of Mizuno irons on sale - a set of MP-54s that I bought used some years ago advertised as standard length and lie,  which they certainly seemed to be when I played them, and is how I advertised them myself.  The buyer has just got back to me to say he thinks they're not standard and wants to return them.  He may be right,  but he's also given me some problems already in the course of the sale (very late payment) and I'm wondering if this is just another tactic.  So.. is there a way to check what spec the set was originally made to from the serial numbers? Does Mizuno keep these on record? Thanks. 
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Re: Checking the spec of a set of MP-54s

Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:45 pm

Posted by DMT


Has he said what he thinks is non-standard?  Longer or shorter.  Up or flat? And if so do you think he could be right?

Did he say where he got them checked? If perhaps he's claiming a local club maybe a forum member on here might be a club member and could check in the pro shop for you? 

That is of course if a simple check on serial number isn't fruitful/possible. 

It can be a real pain sometimes when you sell something in good faith and the buyer d*cks you around. 
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Re: Checking the spec of a set of MP-54s

Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:48 pm

Posted by Stewart 57


Should be okay to get the specs from mizuno. try MPX
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Re: Checking the spec of a set of MP-54s

Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:27 am

Posted by RobCH


Thanks. Update this evening is he's only measured the clubs against a set (different make) of his Dad's and found they are the same length but he thought Mizuno made clubs half an inch shorter than other manufacturers. Now he's saying he "thinks" the lie is too upright. So in fact he hasn't done any proper checking against spec and is just ****ing about. However, in order to demonstrate to eBay that I haven't missold I'd like to get the original spec from Mizuno if i can. I'll DM MPX tomorrow.
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Re: Checking the spec of a set of MP-54s

Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:25 am

Posted by hursty


RobCH wrote:

Thanks. Update this evening is he's only measured the clubs against a set (different make) of his Dad's and found they are the same length but he thought Mizuno made clubs half an inch shorter than other manufacturers. Now he's saying he "thinks" the lie is too upright. So in fact he hasn't done any proper checking against spec and is just ****ing about. However, in order to demonstrate to eBay that I haven't missold I'd like to get the original spec from Mizuno if i can. I'll DM MPX tomorrow.


Good luck with getting the original specs unless you've got the original order number and Mizuno still have a record of orders from years ago.

It's come up quite a few times on here, the numbers on the hosel/ferrule ARE NOT serial numbers in the UK market, they are just the build date. If 1000 other sets were built on the same date at Cumbernauld then they would have the same number.

You've also got to consider that they're forged irons, if you've practised a lot with them on range mats then this can alter the lie angles slightly as well.

Sounds like to me that the buyer has changed his mind and is trying to blag it.

Personally I would offer the refund of sale price only not including postage cost and then he will have to return them to you in the original state you sent them to him at his own cost.
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Re: Checking the spec of a set of MP-54s

Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:14 am

Posted by Stewart 57


Agree with Paul. Tell him you will refund him his money and he returns the clubs. go through E-bay / Paypal panefor disagreements, 

 Does he know that he was buying clubs that were" Custom fit"..
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Re: Checking the spec of a set of MP-54s

Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:44 am

Posted by PaulBoy


Stewart 57 wrote:

Agree with Paul. Tell him you will refund him his money and he returns the clubs. go through E-bay / Paypal panefor disagreements, 

 Does he know that he was buying clubs that were" Custom fit"..

I also agree with hursty - Sounds like the buyer doesn't know what he is doing / talking about - You get a lot of that on eBay & I have learned how to cover myself from people like this - I don't offer returns unless I have made an error on the listing - Unless I know exactly what the loft & lie is I always say "standard, as far as I know" - Also in terms of length I always take a picture of the club against a measuring tape with the words "check pictures for exact measurement" - With a set of irons I will do this for the shortest iron (PW) & longest iron (4i) - I'd rather sell to people here or friends, acquaintances etc but do sell quite a bit on eBay for myself & others (current feedback is 693 @ 100%) - You just have to cover your behind ...
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Re: Checking the spec of a set of MP-54s

Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:59 pm

Posted by seanmor


PaulBoy wrote:

Stewart 57 wrote:

Agree with Paul. Tell him you will refund him his money and he returns the clubs. go through E-bay / Paypal panefor disagreements, 

 Does he know that he was buying clubs that were" Custom fit"..

I also agree with hursty - Sounds like the buyer doesn't know what he is doing / talking about - You get a lot of that on eBay & I have learned how to cover myself from people like this - I don't offer returns unless I have made an error on the listing - Unless I know exactly what the loft & lie is I always say "standard, as far as I know" - Also in terms of length I always take a picture of the club against a measuring tape with the words "check pictures for exact measurement" - With a set of irons I will do this for the shortest iron (PW) & longest iron (4i) - I'd rather sell to people here or friends, acquaintances etc but do sell quite a bit on eBay for myself & others (current feedback is 693 @ 100%) - You just have to cover your behind ...
Paul


Totally agree sounds like he has changed his mind...!

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Re: Checking the spec of a set of MP-54s

Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:24 pm

Posted by RobCH


Thanks again everyone.  Useful advice on selling in future.  Now that the length and lie argument is looking a bit threadbare he's claiming the set isn't genuine,  having originally said it was great,  something's wrong with the look of the forging (whatever that means),  the lettering is wrong (ditto) and they don't  look like they did in the photos! He's very reluctant to provide any evidence for any of this,  and in a great hurry to start the return process.  I'm getting a small amount of enjoyment out of asking him to explain everything he claims,  but will probably agree the refund before the statutory 8 day limit and write it off as a lesson learned. Some buyers are just trouble. 
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Re: Checking the spec of a set of MP-54s

Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:56 pm

Posted by Stewart 57


Rob. Give him his refund, But; tell him you will refund his money when you have received the clubs again and checked them to see if they were in the same condition you sent them . and tell him you will deduct money from the price, if you feel they are not in the same condition or have been tampered with ....
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