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Author:  Brattz [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:10 pm ]
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RobB2 wrote:

Ok so i played 3 away courses at the weekend.I played off 8 hcp all 3 days and played to 13,20 and 18 on those days.Rubbish i know but that doesn't mean I'm a double figure player as i have played to or just over my hcp for the past 2 months.If i submitted those cards i think they would be dismissed by my club as they would see my previous scoring and know it was a weekend away with the lads.


If you paid into a prize pot you need to include those rounds on your Away Non Q submissions form to your club before handicap reviews start as per the directive issued by England Golf and Congu last year. No such thing as an away day anymore! If you shoot under handicap it is used as evidence for a cut, if it’s iver handicap it is dismissed. Either way, submitting it keeps you clean and honest

Author:  RobB2 [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:14 pm ]
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If you say it is a directive ,I understand that to mean that is what they are recommending.They are not insisting you do it.Did everybody submit  cards for the Southern forum and Northern forum events?I doubt it very much.

Author:  Brattz [ Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:02 am ]
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RobB2 wrote:

If you say it is a directive ,I understand that to mean that is what they are recommending.They are not insisting you do it.Did everybody submit  cards for the Southern forum and Northern forum events?I doubt it very much.


Yout club should have notified all members of the new directive that is not compulsory.... clubs that do not adhere can be fined and/or lose England Golf membership. They are really trying to stamp out banditry and they are really clamping down

Author:  chrism_s [ Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:23 am ]
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Interestingly, reading the CONGU manual supplementary score submissions are limited:

21.4 A Member is limited to a number of Supplementary Scores in each year as detailed in below:(a) subject to (d) below, Category 1 players may only return Supplementary Scores during
the period 1 September to 31 December and only to the extent necessary to ensure that
the minimum requirement for Qualifying Scores under Clause 25 is met. Category 1
players may only return Supplementary Scores over 18 holes;
(b) up to a maximum of ten Supplementary Scores may be returned annually by players in
Categories 2 to 4 [5];
(c) there is no annual limit to the number of Supplementary Scores returned by players
holding a CONGU® Club Handicap (Appendix J);
(d) a Union has the discretion to permit Category 1 players with handicaps in the range 2.5
to 5.4 to return up to ten Supplementary Scores in a calendar year. Such scores may
only be returned at the player’s Home club within that Union’s jurisdiction.
Scotland directs that Category 1 players within this handicap range may take up this
discretion. England, Ireland, and Wales make no such direction.

So you can't submit more than 10 a year, and definitely not every round you play.

Author:  hursty [ Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:15 pm ]
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It's not a supplementary score that's submitted.

It's an away score that may be used as an aid to handicap management by the home club.

Author:  Brattz [ Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:00 pm ]
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hursty wrote:

It's not a supplementary score that's submitted.

It's an away score that may be used as an aid to handicap management by the home club.


Spot in Hursty. People not reading right, you submit the score on a sheet for Away Non Q golf to your club at the end of the season for the annual review. Not submit every card as a supplementary

Author:  Kgrove [ Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:30 pm ]
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It sounds like UK golfers are seeing more sandbagging by their fellow golfers where at least my experience as a US golfer is I see more fudging that tends to reduce HCs, which is harmful to the golfer if using the HC for competitions but sounds great for bragging rights. Most of the fudging that I see is typical on course stuff of not strictly enforcing rules (e.g., rolling the ball to an improved lie, generous drops, treating OB shots like lateral hazards, etc), but I also see a lot of golfers that decide not to post their score to their handicap because they scored poorly. Their rationale is that it won't count anyway, but given the HC calculus takes the best rounds from your most recent 20, posting scores can end up dropping some of your good scores if they are too far in the past.

The rule I follow for myself is I basically decide before the round starts whether or not I'm turning in the score. That gives me the freedom in some rounds to experiment and work on some facet of my game without worrying about my score... for instance maybe I tee off from he tips but use only irons to force myself to have many long iron shots, or maybe I try new strategies for various holes (cut corners I normally don't try, lay up in places I normally go for the green, etc). Sometimes if I'm playing with really short hitters, I'll also hit from the short tees just to keep them company. There are a lot of good reasons people can play a round and not have to turn in a score, but it should never be something they decide after seeing the results.

Author:  DMT [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:51 pm ]
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Re supplemtal scores I had an email yesterday from my club.....extract as follows:

CONGU ChangesCONGU have made some changes which come into effect [url]from 1st January 2018[/url], a copy of this can be found in the locker rooms but here are a couple of the main ones: 

Replacement of club & disability handicaps - This has been replaced with new categories 5 & 6 so that golfers can have active handicaps higher than 28 for men and 36 for ladies 

Supplementary scores - This has been changed to allow unlimited number of supplementary scores instead of 1 per week, players must still register in shop or email Matt before they go out. 

Author:  hursty [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:40 pm ]
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DMT wrote:

Re supplemtal scores I had an email yesterday from my club.....extract as follows:

CONGU ChangesCONGU have made some changes which come into effect [url]from 1st January 2018[/url], a copy of this can be found in the locker rooms but here are a couple of the main ones: 

Replacement of club & disability handicaps - This has been replaced with new categories 5 & 6 so that golfers can have active handicaps higher than 28 for men and 36 for ladies 

Supplementary scores - This has been changed to allow unlimited number of supplementary scores instead of 1 per week, players must still register in shop or email Matt before they go out. 



I dont know about other clubs but ours charge a £3 fee for administering supplementary cards (same figure as a monthly medal). If the unlimited supplementary system is employed at ours then I cant see it making any difference at all as people are already reluctant to pay the fee.

Author:  DMT [ Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:10 pm ]
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No charge at our place and I hadn’t considered others might have to pay.

I guess The Celtic is more leisure resort than golf club and benefit from far more staff than other clubs.

That said, they don’t normally miss an opportunity to generate extra revenue! 

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