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Re: Proposed changes to the Rules of Golf

Sat Mar 04, 2017 5:22 pm

Posted by Halebopp


hursty wrote:

How is this fair?

Like I said previously I don't agree with the preferred lies on all fairways option but definitely think the relief from divots rule needs looking at.


You are probably right about fixing divots, it's a fear without a proper reason for it. Those who fix divot holes or try to minimize their effect would continue to do so and those who don't just don't care. I do wish people who end up in divots would learn from the experience though and start doing their part.

Ending up in a divot is not fair but I can't see an obvious solution to it (except for hunting down the person who doesn't replace a beaver pelt). In the long run though I believe luck will even out (even in a single match), maybe there was some bounces going your way earlier on etc. Sometimes it can't be known if you had a very lucky escape from a terrible bounce as that terrible bounce didn't happen.

The next problem would be with requiring all bad breaks to be considered equal. One might consider the rest of my ramblings a bit of a hyperbole but that's just how I see things.

For example you hit your approach shot into a greenside bunker. Someone has left the rake inside the bunker, just on the outer edge. Your ball comes to rest against the rake. Had the rake not been there, the ball would've rolled to a nice lie at the bottom of the bunker but now you have a very difficult, downhill bunker shot. The worst case is you need to take a penalty stroke because you can't replace the ball nor find another spot where the ball would come to rest in the bunker in a spot not nearer the hole.

A bunker is a hazard and you shouldn't expect a good lie in one but in both cases the cause was purely a player who didn't care for the course or other players on it. From my experience the latter is also the more common occurrence.

I should probably explain that over here rakes should be placed in the bunker but so that they cause as little problems as possible. That is perpendicular to the direction of play so that balls can roll under them and at the bottom/center of the bunker but people are too lazy and leave them on the edges and even partially outside.

Thus fix the divot issue and there will be ten other issues waiting in line and I can't see it being fair to fix one bad bounce but not others. I know you haven't voiced an opinion on that bit but that's the required, next step for me if you allow relief from divots. Even if you figure out all such situations, you're still stuck with the elements - the greatest problem of them all when it comes to fairness in a tournament setting.

Golf isn't fair on a shot-by-shot basis nor is it ever easy. From a rules point of view though and how I see playing the ball as it lies as an essential (and even romantic, dare I say) part of the game, even in the face of adversity, I prefer coping with the bad luck and keeping the rules more simple. The best solution is to push people to take better care of the course and be more considerate towards others.
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Re: Proposed changes to the Rules of Golf

Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:55 am

Posted by Gabriel14111954


Halebopp , i tend to agree with you. You touch your ball when you tee it up and take it from the cup. Of course for a penalty from or relief as well.

I am inclined to think that if you are going to start introducing things like relief from divots , it becomes a never ending story.
We can then add the 2 minutes saved on ball searching to the divot discussions. One step forward and two steps back.

What has happened to the idea of living with the good and bad breaks golf gives us? Never ever hear someone complaining when they get a good break. You should be giving those back then , or not?

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Re: Proposed changes to the Rules of Golf

Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:01 pm

Posted by Fluffywan


To fix the divots, pitchmarks and unraked bunkers problem, I'd happily support offenders getting twazzocked across the back of the head for each offence. I've been lectured to in the past for being in the club house in jeans (I was picking up my sozzled old man and he needed persuading to leave) or being a junior in the bar, the offending gimp (same bloke) never raked a bunker in his life and as for pitchmarks but would moan about etiquette pretty much non-stop. He'd routinely walk on people's line on the green and always seemed to have a cough develop at the top of your backswing if you were playing well. Since I've moved over here, the 3 clubs I've been members of, have all had similar "characters".
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Re: Proposed changes to the Rules of Golf

Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:04 pm

Posted by DCB


We've come a long way from here, the first rules of golf.  http://www.leith-rules-golf.co.uk/theoriginalrules.htm

Golf was played on a stretch of land less than a 5 iron from where I sit and type this. Leith Links was one of the founding places of our game. The game has evolved and so have the rules and they will no doubt continue to do so in the future.

Have a read and see how it used to be ;) 
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Re: Proposed changes to the Rules of Golf

Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:52 pm

Posted by Halebopp


The new Rules should be out next month. The Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St. Andrews held a rules workshop for the higher ups a week ago. There's no information on what the Rules will be but apparently there will be, at least, relaxation on what a player can do in hazards and when searching for a ball.

They certainly seem to take their teaching seriously, creating a bunker inside a hotel. I do wonder if they had a water hazard in another room. :D

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Re: Proposed changes to the Rules of Golf

Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:33 pm

Posted by NotOhBoy


A water bed for the tee girls?
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